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    HOW TO CREATE WAYPOINTS - get things moving A short Introduction how a path is handled PREREQUISITES For every movement of a creature in the wow - world a definition has to be made. (Except the case a hungry one is looking at you for breakfast) The involved objects are: a db table called creature_movement, one with the little strange name db_script_string, one creature you want to teach a way and - last but not least you in the game with GM rights activated. A SQL interface to the database is also needed - equal which you prefer. The Information created in this process later can be <recycled> and used in scripts - eg some escorts type follower or the same way some boss scripts. In any case we recommend to finish the waypoints first and to deal with scripts later. BASICS - what do I need to know The route is stored in creature_movement in the following way : id = the guid of the mob and point = an autoincrement counter starting at 1. According to this waypoints always are just pointing to a single creature and - changing single waypoints later is a mess. Mostly the starting point of the route is the spawn poin. Leaving this way maybe possible but not effective. In all cases memorize the spawnpoint cause here your route starts. Also be aware of programming waypoints needs some time and maybe a lot of running work too.... STEP 1 - cleaning up First find your npc. You need the id and the guid of him. .go creature <guid> may be helpful. .npc info (target the npc first) gives the needed numbers. If youre replacing an old way perhaps save it now. Looking at the waypoints is simply done with SELECT * FROM creature_movement WHERE id = <guid> To erase former informations in the database you simply use DELETE FROM creature_movement WHERE id = <guid> Now your npc has no waypoints. STEP 2 - The running job Do the following : select your npc switch off his need to visit waypoints UPDATE `creature` SET `MovementType`=1 WHERE `guid`= <guid> LIMIT 1; select the npc then type .npc follow EXCURSION - server manners If that looks strange - lets look at the sense behind. When you visiting the wow world just a part of it is transferred to the client and also in the core just the parts are loaded where some player action occurs. The same way not used areas are taken out of memory on client and server side. You can imagine that a circle-like area around your character. When programming long ways you could get error messages cause some parts of your way are unloaded. Cause you have to select the npc to set his ways and if you are going too far away it is automatically deselected. OK now position yourself at the first spot and type with npc selected .wp add <guid> Congrats - The first waypoint has just been made. Between 2 waypoints the npc always takes a straight line - so to make realistic curves you have to do this by setting more waypoints to simulate it. Follow your path and set your waypoints - and dont forget less is more every waypoint is server workload so just make the neccesary. The npc is going through the waypoint list till the end. When hes at the end restarting again with the first waypoint. That means you must set the way more or less in a circle to return to starting point - else you will see a lost creature hopping through the fields searching for the first entry with odd behavior. Step 3 - Nothing without verification Switch on waypoints for your companion UPDATE `creature` SET `MovementType`=2 WHERE `guid`= <guid> LIMIT 1; if the mob is doing nothing try typing .reload all Now the creature should start moving and following your route. Watch one "round" to see if it all works correctly. Step 4 - EXTRAS - cream on top To make additional actions for your (now running) creature you have to access a single waypoint to tell him an action. If you look into your waypoints select * from creature_movement where id = <guid> You see the following data fields : 5 textid, emote, spell, waittime and a script_id. And a - empty - wpguid. EXCURSION - searching for guids To put something into a waypoint you have to identify it. That's not that easy when you made 30 or 40. Normally waypoints just exist in the database. To work with them visually, the first step is to spawn them - yes - spawn ! Normally a waypoint has no guid. .wp show <guid_of_your_npc> The core generates guids for every waypoint you use atm. To optionally control it - on the right side of table select * from creature_movement where id = <guid> Making long distance ways it can happen that not all wps are generated - then simply walk to the other part and use the command again. Now you're able to identify every single waypoint by his guid in the database. VERY IMPORTANT - clean up when your finished. Every spawned waypoint uses a guid - like you created a lot of mobs. When your finished type .wp show off - to delete the waypoint dummies STEP 5 - WAIT - for what ? is at it says ... just standing there around doing nothing simply set the wait time - be aware that this are milliseconds ... one minute = 60000 STEP 6 - TEXT - Adding Speech There are textid1 to textid5 to be used from 1 up. if more than one is used randomly one will be chosen. To make this far from easy - there is no text field. Its a reference into db_script_string. And to make it just more complicated entries must be between 2000000000 and 2000010000 !!! so you have to add your text into that table and afterwards you can tell the waypoints. just use content_default for your messages - the other fields are for translations into different languages STEP 7 - EMOTES - clapping npcs Simply store an emote number here reference you'll find in the dbc emote tables STEP 8 - SPELLS AND SCRIPTS This is going too far for a introduction. You may find Information about possible spells and scripting at other tutorials. ADDENDUM - THE MESSY THING To change a single waypoint entry is a challange. Ok - a position change can be easy done by .npc move When its spawned. But inserting a new point .. you first have to create that point. Than you must free the sequence number he should use - they are a unique key so no equals allowed in the database - by rising all upper waypoints one step up and after that you can give the new one the insertion number. Works with 5 waypoints but is a challange for a long route. The other way round - to swap the gps coordinates - is also not an easy task. So take care that the basic waypoints are all correct and working. In case of error often it will be faster to rebuild the path from scratch than playing around.
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    Official getMaNGOS Discord Server Launched! getMaNGOS is pleased to announce the launch of a new public Discord server. For years MaNGOS had an IRC channel, today we move to Discord having ceased using IRC sometime ago. All of our in-house Developers may or may not be on the public discord server but most will. You can join the Discord server by clicking this link or by visiting the getMaNGOS website and clicking the join button on the right hand side. While Discord is web-based you can download the app here. The Discord platform supports Windows, Mac, Android, iOS and Linux, you will be able to stay in touch with the MaNGOS community from anywhere! If you are unfamiliar with Discord you can read about it on their website. Kind Regards, Antz (Project Lead) & MadMax (Community Lead) Community Manager's of https://www.getmangos.eu
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    Hey, Just wanted to draw everyone's attention to the new automated releases taking place over on github. I have spent the last few days working on our Appveyor setup. Changes I've implemented: Implement x64 build project Setup Appveyor caching on x86 platform to cache MySQL 5.7 Output build files to dedicated folder server_build On successful builds Appveyor will do the following now: Upload both x86 and x64 windows builds to github and auto release Upload a copy of the source code used with each release We are uploading the source code instead of relying on github because we also want the cloned submodules. All released builds include a copy of the database alongside the server in the archive. You can find the built files here: Mangos Zero - https://github.com/mangoszero/server/releases Mangos One - https://github.com/mangosone/server/releases Mangos Two - https://github.com/mangostwo/server/releases If you use one of these builds please let us know over the next few weeks or months if you have any issues or if they are working fine for you You can also make a github account and watch the server repository to get a notification when a new release is out.
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    Today I bring you a quick update on the Rabbid Grizzly and the Blighted Elk that roam the Dragonsblight. Reworked all spawn locations and removed a huge amount of duplicates. I have added a before and after picture of an area that showed the most obvious improvement.
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    MangosTwo (wotlk) has had significantly less development over the years compared to TC, which until recently was focussed only on wotlk. - because of this TC has always traditionally been the defacto core for running wotlk. The last two years have involved massive redesigns of the mangos foundation and we are improving the cores daily now. - As the different MaNGOS cores now share a lot of code, any improvements are applied across the cores thus allowing us to gain ground.
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    I don't think you're going to see a more specific or straightforward error message than this, ever. It's telling you that the call to SendNotification on line 10 has a bad argument, that it is nil, when it expects a string. The argument there is the variable named 'message', which isn't defined anywhere in this script, hence the reason you're getting this error.
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    A Foreword by Unkle Nuke In the interest of continuing to give structure to how we work here at MaNGOS, I have republished our Standards And Practices, with modifications and updates by me as necessary while preserving the instruction and intent of the original. Some parts were scrapped entirely and rewritten by me to be more informative and current with the progress of time and the MaNGOS sources. This document, in another form, was originally published on the old MaNGOS web site. I don't have a bibliography as to whom the original author or authors were, but I strongly suspect TheLuda's involvement, at least. If any of our current members had a hand in this document or know who did, please feel free to message me with the details so I may give credit where it is due. We are all here because we have stood on the shoulders of giants. While it's focus is primarily on server core development with C++, much of what is presented here can be useful for all MaNGOS developers. I now call upon those masters of database and scripting to step forward and offer any recommendations to this document, so it may be as complete as possible. If anyone notices errors or omissions, please message me with any necessary corrections. This is an ever-evolving document, in keeping with changes to how we work and the technology with which we do that work. Somebody may want to mirror this in our wiki, too... Chapter 1, Page 1 "So You Want To Be A MaNGOS Dev?" Introduction While we here at MaNGOS do our utmost to extend a helping hand to those in need, there is never enough precious time to do everything that needs to be done. You can help us with that by making your best effort to help yourself. When you can learn the basics before jumping into things, it allows us more time to answer the really hard questions about MaNGOS development. What follows is one avenue where you can teach yourself some valuable fundamentals in how to be a MaNGOS Developer. The rest, and everything that follows, is built upon what you will now read. This is the official document outlining all the basic methodology for existing and prospective developers. It offers recommendations for everything from correctly configuring and using your Git client, to proper coding style for core patches, to submitting and reviewing code. All developers and patch contributors are strongly encouraged to read and adhere to these guidelines Of course, you're free to do as you wish, but it would be nice if you could work with us on this, especially if you want to work with us! The first thing you do should be to configure a name and email. By default, Git chooses a name based on the GECOS data (which is probably right) and a default email based on your login and hostname (which is almost certainly wrong). Best practices dictate using your real name and email here, not any other aliases you may have, but you may wish to use something other than your real name and personal e-mail if privacy or legal reasons warrant it. These fields will be immortalized in the repository history so make sure you get them right and use the identity by which you wish fame and glory to be heaped upon you. $ git config --global user.name Your Name $ git config --global user.email [email][email protected][/email]ess While you’re configuring, you may want to enable coloring for some commands: $ git config --global color.diff auto $ git config --global color.status auto $ git config --global color.branch auto $ git config --global color.interactive auto If you prefer to use an editor other than the default Vi, such as emacs in the example, specify it like this: $ git config --global core.editor emacs Finally, to properly handle line feeds between Windows and Linux, Windows users can use the following setting: $ git config --global core.autocrlf auto DOES NOT WORK ON CURRENT VERSION OF msysGit. Checking if this is due to a bug or changes to Git's config. It is NOT recommended to set autocrlf to "true" as this forces converting CRLF into LF, which has been known to cause issues. Linux users can set Git to automatically fix CRLF that can sometimes sneak in when a Windows user makes a commit by converting them into standard LF when making a commit: $ git config --global core.autocrlf input It is highly recommended to use a single coding style for the whole project source code. Exceptions are allowed for independent libraries used in the project, but it is generally advisable all contributors to use the style specified here. Failure to adhere to these standards can result in your submitted work being rejected until it has been brought into compliance. Tab Length All tabs used in code editing consist of four blank spaces. If your editor allows configuration of the <Tab> key, please set it to use four spaces. Otherwise, do not use the <Tab> key! Instead, use the <Space> key and type in four blank spaces manually. Tab lengths other than four blank spaces are unacceptable. The Microsoft Visual Studio C++ code editor has tabs set to four spaces by default. Line Length (or Width) Please use 80-column width, or 80 characters, for line length. This includes spaces and punctuation. If your line is longer than that, please split it into two or more lines. If it's sometimes a little longer, by just a few characters, then it may be permitted at the discretion of the Code Reviewer. If you're splitting text inside brackets { }, the continuing text should be indented to the position after the opening bracket. printf ("This is a example of how we split lines longer than 80 characters\n" "into several so that they won't exceed this limit.\n", max_sourcecode_width); If you have long strings, you can split them as shown above, just remember that C/C++ compilers will glue together several strings that come without any special characters between them into a single string. Brackets When writing C++ code, brackets are placed symmetrically, with the ending bracket lined up to the opening bracket. if (something) { some function ...; } else { some function ...; } switch (x) { case 1: printf ("X is one!\n"); break; case 2: { printf ("X is two!\n"); break; } } Every bracketed block moves its contents by one tab to right. Labels (but not case selectors!) and public:/private:/protected: C++ keywords are placed at the leftmost indented position for the current block, that is, in the same position where enclosing brackets are. Also please don't use brackets around a single statement because it clutters the code; use brackets only when using non-obvious constructs, like: if (foo) { if (foo) some function ...; } else some function ...; Also, please place one space before opening parenthesis. Before, but not after: ( the if( blah ) style is a no-no! ) (the if (blah) style is correct!) Following these few and simple formatting styles with your work for MaNGOS will ensure it is readable and easily understood by every developer on the project. To ensure proper generation of annotated code, please use DoxyGen style comments. This is a bit similar to JavaDoc comments and other automatic code documentation generators. Single-line documentation or comments should be placed following three slashes. ///This is a single line. I only had a brief thing to say regarding some code. Documentation and comments that require more than one line should be enclosed in a comment block, which consists of a slash and two asterisks to show the start while the end is indicated by one asterisk and a slash /** ... ... */. All lines between the comment block markers begin with a single asterisk *. Here's an example that shows most useful keywords you can use in a comment block: /** * This function does something very useful. If used with care, this function * has the potential to make your programs really really useful. * * \arg \c x * The x argument specifies a integer that is transformed into something useful. * \arg \c y * This argument, if not NULL, is a pointer to a free memory area where this * function will put something really really useful. * \return * A useful value, or NULL if error. * * Here is a example that you can paste into your code so that it saves you a * lot of typing: * * \verbatim * for (int x = 0; x < 100; x++) * printf ("DoSomethingUseful%d = %s\n", i, * DoSomethingUseful (i, &ScratchPad)); * \endverbatim * * Paragraphs are split from each other by inserting a empty line. Also some HTML * tags are supported, like <ol> [<li>...] </ol> and <ul> [<li>...] </ul> for * ordered (numbered) and unordered (dotted) lists respectively. */ char *DoSomethingUseful (int x, void *y); /// This is a one-line comment void Something (); For comments and documenting not intended for printing by DoxyGen, use normal comment markers (// and /* ... */). These can be notes to yourself or remarks meant only as part of the work in progress. In addition, when you comment-out a line or more of code to prevent it from being used in the source when compiled, use two slashes ( // )at the beginning of each line of code. This is useful for having code as a placeholder until the full function has been completed, a bug remains unresolved elsewhere that breaks your code, or you wish to place debug routines that are not used for normal execution. Please remember to also add a note that the code has been disabled and the reasons for this. Use the standard outlined above for documentation and comments when doing so. void WorldSession::HandleSetSheathedOpcode( WorldPacket & recv_data ) /* * This should fix the problem with weapons still being seen as sheathed by * the client. Should make players happy to know they can now use their * weapons in combat! * Once this has been reviewed, I can do some proper documenting. */ { uint32 sheathed; recv_data >> sheathed; //Uncomment the following only when debugging the function. //DEBUG_LOG( "WORLD: Recvd CMSG_SETSHEATHED Message guidlow:%u value1:%u", GetPlayer()->GetGUIDLow(), sheathed ); if(sheathed >= MAX_SHEATH_STATE) { sLog.outError("Unknown sheath state %u ??",sheathed); return; } GetPlayer()->SetSheath(SheathState(sheathed)); } Remember, use DoxyGen style markers when you want your comments and documentation to be printed out. Use standard markers for comments and documents you do not want printed by DoxyGen, but need to make notes about the code for yourself and other devs. Afterword by Unkle Nuke Git can be a challenge, especially for those who have been brainwashed by other version control methods like CVS or Subversion. Honestly, Git isn't that hard, once you let go of old ideas and embrace the concept that code can exist in an ever-changing state which can then be frozen in a snapshot of time for your review. I was once like you, a lost soul, but I was brought into the light! Even as I was shown the way, let me guide you to the holy texts and free your minds, brothers! If you need an introduction to Git, check out these resources. They're all free!: Try Git lets you learn how Git works by using it in your web browser. No software installation needed! Git's documentation page is where you can find the Git Pro Book, the Git Manual, and some introductory videos. And that's just for starters! The Git Pro Book, is also free to download in PDF, EPUB, or mobi formats. The Git Manual is also included with the Git client, as man pages, plain text, or HTML, depending on which platform you are running Git. While you're there, don't forget to download the cheat sheets, for quick access to Git's most commonly used commands and workflow at a glance. Too much more to list here. Give the entire site a good long look. The Git Reference is an online manual, similar to the Git Manual, but it focuses on actually working with and setting up Git. Kernel.org also has a mirror of the Git Manual Git Immersion is an online training course that promises to teach you the fundamentals in a "learn by doing" style. If you don't already have Git installed, they provide links to the client version you will need as the first step. Git Reference has a similar title to the official Git Reference, but it is meant to be a quick reference for learning and remembering the most important and commonly used Git commands. As you work through each section, every page will also link to more in-depth Git documentation and provide you with an immersive experience that lets you go as deep as you want. Git Magic is an excellent online book that I highly recommend everyone have on their virtual bookshelf. It has a practical, hands-on approach that teaches you how to use Git by the way you should use Git. Also available in PDF, simplified HTML, and as packages for Debian and Ubuntu (Actually a compressed, lightwieght copy of the web site itself for offline browsing. Did I say it was good, or what?). Ry's Git Tutorial is mapped out by subjects, in order from beginner to advanced. This one has to be among the best there is for this type of tutorial. Each lesson covers using Git in an actual project, by working with example code and patches on your very own Git repository! If the all the other books, docs, and tutorials just seem too confusing, I'm sure Ry's Git Tutorial is the one for you! Github Help covers just about every possible question, topic, fact, subject, method, and everything else related to using Github. You definitely want to save this web page in your browser! That should have you working with Git like a seasoned hacker in a very short time! That gives us more opportunity to help with the MaNGOS-specific problems you may encounter.
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    I think what he is attempting to do is use Appveyor to build his own projects and release them over GitHub?
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    So far dbc's, maps and vmaps have extracted correctly... mmaps will take some time
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    If you've followed the guides for installing MySQL and OpenSSL, you have the required dll-s on your disk drive already, under the corresponding setup folders.
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    If you have Git installed, then you have the program able to execute Linux shell scripts. Start Git console, change dir (commands "cd" and "pwd" to check) to your clent dir and enter "./ExtractResources.sh" without quotes. But yes, this detail must be mentioned in the guide.
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    thank you so much, it helped a lot.
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    This wiki page is about client configuring. It must be the command description page somewhere, but I miss it now. Anyway, you could read (most of) it in this SQL source file in a bit non-user-friendly form. I doubt the list from "help" command will really help. To create an account, "account create" is the needed command. If you have a running server, you have its console with mangos> prompt. Type in your commands there. Many commands are available only from within the game (client) though. To check you're doing things right, you could use "server info" command.
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    Hello everyone, I thought the work I have been doing on Dragonblight would be a great opportunity to start my first blog. This is the largest and most complex undertaking I have ever taken on here at MaNGOS and wanted you all to be a part of its progress. As a side note and something I would like every reader to keep in mind is that the when I speak of "progress" or "percent completed" it is based on the personal end goals I set for myself when the thought of doing an overhaul on the zone first came to be. So sit back and enjoy some cake. Base Project Outline (In no particular order) 1) Waypoints 1-1) Add missing waypoints 1-2) Update current Waypoints 1-3) Remove incorrect/unused waypoints 2) NPC spawns 2-1) Add missing NPCs 2-2) Remove duplicate NPCs 3) NPC linking 4) Scripting 4-1) db_scripts 4-2) AI_scripts 4-3) Potential for SD3 / Eluna 5) Quests 6) NPC updates 6-1) Faction Updates 6-2) Gossip 6-3) Flags 6-3-1) NpcFlags 6-3-2) UnitFlags 6-3-3) DynamicFlags 6-3-4) ExtraFlags 6-4) miscellaneous Attribute updates 7) Npc cosmetic tweaks 8) Game Objects 8) Data cleanup and submission
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    hello i have 3 linux server debian 7,8 and 1 ubuntu and all make not a tool folder cmake file in /home/mangos/zero/bin/(tools) lol.. i can not extract vmaps maps dbc etc. build when no tool folder making. can here any upload that tool folder for all zero three one? thanks .. big bug that pls help sorry for my english not my language
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    I've just tried a clean build on Ubuntu 14.04 with all the defaults. By default, the build type is Release and the extractors are built and installed to the INSTALL_DIR under bin/tools/. Your issue means that the build process was either modifed or failed. It would be easy for any dev to share few binary files, but your failed build may cause a lot of other issues which subsequently will become ours So, I would advise you to create the binaries by youself. Just a few hints: check if the repository contains the Extractor_projects submodule as src/tools/Extractor_projects check if build type is Release. The extractors built in Debug mode, especially movemap-generator, will run for ages. The best strategy is not to build them in Debug, though I'm unsure how the build system handles it now use ccmake (actions Configure - Generate) for cmake, in order to have more convenient control over build setup
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    Sorry, the screenshot cannot be accepted also, since it is from a buggy private server. Note also that the spells have attribute SPELL_ATTR_EX6_NOT_IN_RAID_INSTANCE, meaning the buff vanishes while walking a raid instance.
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    Exactly this bit on CreatureEventAI is shown in the logs (both console and world-server.log) with all default mangosd.conf settings. To get others, I suppose, you need to request more detailed logging in the config. I tested it on a Win32 clean build with DB set up via InstallDatabases.bat. Just checked that the latest DB updates were installed too.
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    Cannot reproduce any of these database errors. Maybe you messed up the DB importing? Are you using the actual repo's db or are you using a third party DB?
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    i fix it by change user char set to zh_CN.UTF8,and recomplie the source. problem solved~
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    We would love to see some pictures of mangos being used at sea
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    Is there any sort of IRC channel for MaNGOS? I saw a post mentioning Discord, which makes sense since it's more geared towards gamers. But some people (especially us old farts) prefer IRC. It works on a wider variety of hardware, with much less overhead. If not, would anyone be interested in it? I'd consider starting one if there were at least a small handful of other people who would care to join.
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    MaNGOS used to have a IRC channel, however I (for reason which shall remain private on here) am not permitted to use IRC (long story). Discord was suggested as a alternative due to major problems with skype for an extended period of time. The problem with both of these is fragmentation of contact points. I for one cannot keep an eye on discord, skype, irc and the forum. Since I use skype at work, it has become the primary contact medium. However, I do try and work with people as much as I can.
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    The code you posted does not have message defined. If you updated the code then please post it as the error you have is either different or you did nothing to the code or you did something but we dont really know what. The argument must be a string!
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    Description start_time length guid event Entry Name Fishing Extravaganza Announce 2006-01-02 07:00:00 240 54742 14 15116 Grinkle Fishing Extravaganza 2006-01-01 13:00:00 120 54687 15 15078 Jang Fishing Extravaganza 2006-01-01 13:00:00 120 54688 15 15079 Fishbot 5000 Fishing Extravaganza Turn-in 2006-01-04 16:00:00 180 105970 34 15077 Riggle Bassbait Most of the issues are shown here. Start time needs adjusting for 14 and 34 events. Using info about what events are related to each mob appearance, correct spawning. Game event system does not support appearing a NPC GUID for more than 1 event, this is usually solved by spawning another copy(-ies) of the mob. NPC 15007 must repeat the event announce during events 14 and 15, maybe with different frequency. For this, SD3 has no alternative since conditions are bound neither to DB scripts nor to EventAI. Not shown here, the quest may be given during events 14, 15 and taken during 34 (and 15?). Looks like another task for SD3.
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    This is not the only Burning Crusade thing which was in code or database. I wasn't around then but it could be that Mangos zero was backported from one of the later expansions.
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    It's a quite popular opinion. It even looks true because on TBC/WotLK with "official" flying, there was no one in pre-TBC zones. But, do you really think the blizz GMs had been walking? Or, they used a special non-public client build with additional features enabled? The fact is that the client handles somehow many packets marked in Opcodes.h as CHEAT (like MSG_MOVE_TELEPORT_CHEAT, MSG_MOVE_TOGGLE_COLLISION_CHEAT, MSG_MOVE_TOGGLE_GRAVITY_CHEAT, SMSG_GODMODE so on). The second fact is that the movement system of the MangosZero does not believe in any flight possibility, having also a lot of undescribed MoveFlag's. I was told about implementations of such flying, smth on the swim flag; I doubt strongly that they are blizzlike in the terms of packet sequence. Despite of this knowledge, I'm unable to implement the mechanic now. So, the answer above will hold until someone more knowledgeable disproves it.
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    That's what I was about to suggest you Tal'


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