Shinzon

@subhuman_bob I completely understand where you're coming from. You are right in a lot of respects. I used to develop programs and also repair computers for people (still do) and I charged very little. Several of my clients told me that I was losing customers BECAUSE they didn't think I was good enough. Otherwise I would have charged more. So I jacked up my rates so they were more "mainstream" but within a margin below the competition... and suddenly I had people being scheduled weeks or months in advance because they thought I must be "good enough" but I was reasonalby priced. I still think it's crazy. But that's my opinion. @Mynt I also understand your side of the board and I know first hand what it's like to be down there at teh bottome of the barrel willing to get "bargin" games. I wanted to target people who enjoy playing, but can't afford a fortune. (like college students). @jaggex Perhaps the best avenue is to have the client for free or nearly free and market the hardware through the game stores. After all the hardware is going to cost between $300.00 - $500.00. But it will be SO worth it.

Can a Mod please close this topic? I'm not saying one way or another about Git... this has just gone on for sooooo llloooonnnggg. We get the point. Some people like it... some people hate it. I mean come on... 112 replies?

@Ntsc, I'll do my best to answer some of your questions. That was ultimately my goal, however I do not have a solid enough group of developers to do so. Also, most investors are very nervous about investing in a video game idea or company as there have been so many failures. They are however interested in possibly investing a new invention that I have come with for game interface. I can't go into details because the Patent is currently being filed, but in 5 weeks or so I'll be able to talk about that aspect. My ultimate goal, quite honestly was to get together a team of about 30-50 top-notch developers and artists to design the game and the original plan was to market it against the big dogs (EA, Blizzard, Lionhead, etc.), I even have a very well known music composer that was willing to do the score for it. (Yes, I know music isn't everything... but this guy has done some VERY good blockbuster movies... advantages to living in Boston, MA). However, in light of the lack of investor interest I have refocused my idea to a 3D replacement for board based RP games (possibly). Would I still love to release the game as a main-stream competitor against some of the big game companies? ABSOLUTLY... I just don't know that it is feasible. 1. As for "What kind of game I'm aiming for" - My big thing has been the desire to create a game where I can provide the client for free (or as close to free as possible) and charge about $9.00 - $13.00 USD per month for connectivity. The reason is, I think too many game companies 'scalp' their customers by charging them at the store and then charge them a monthly fee as well. I would like to create something that is open source in that there is a solid story line for the game (Which we definitely have), but the you can buy tools where you can create additional aspects to the storyline making it your own 'branch' of the story and publish it on the servers along with your own quests, etc.. Also these tools would allow starting developers to create their own NPCs or game objects so that they can integrate that into their storyline. Yes, I know this is no small idea... monumentally large even. 2.The time frame of March '09 is the START date... I want to finish production by May 2010 for release (yes, I know that is ambitious). 3. I do have MUCH more than concept developed. Not a lot of art, more textual descriptions of everything in the storyline. There are three factions, six species and about 3-4 classes per species (and yes.. no elves... or dwarfs... or anything you've ever seen before). One of the class of one of the species actually can shift factions (long story). It takes place in the future but is fused to the past... so there is TONS that can be done in the way of creativity. The real trick for this game is that there is an additional output to the game interface... one that's never been done before. So we may have to develop a separate core just for that capability in addition to the normal core. (sorry to be so vague) 4.Honestly, most of what I've mentioned will set it apart. The fact that it CAN be modified if you get the tools for it. The fact that it is using an interface never before used in the gaming (or any other) industry. Yes, that sounds very realistic and is right along the lines of what I'm looking for. Now here is the thing, I do have a "fair" data center out of my own home (which may sound a little absurd, but I don't joke around when I build home netwoks... lol ). I have two Dell M1000e's each containing 6 M605's with 2.8 TB total internal network storage space. I also have a 45MB/sec up and down fiber optic connection to the Internet. So I see no reason that development can't start whenever I figure out the logistics of how to go about it. I would really like to publish the storyline so that you guys can get a better idea of what we are looking at. However I do not know how to protect the work under copyright and ensure that it remains ONLY within the project. I do have non-disclosure agreements that I've been having everyone sign within the U.S. that is involved, however I do not think those are legally binding outside the U.S. I'll have to talk to my attorneys to find out. Let me know you're thoughts.

Yes, I know. I was thinking of a much larger client design. TheLuda and I have spoken a little about it. I'll post more information as I have it.

Hmm... too bad we can't have a SHA1 decrypter built into our heads... would make things much easier.

I take it the answer to this was no?

LOL, nice. Brunogcar do you know if Death had planned to implement it as an IRC bot or as a player emulator?

Well, yes it is. As far as development costs, I may be willing to front that. I think we would have to set it up so that the copyright is under the Non-Profit Organization of whatever we decide to develop it under. (as it will be open source, there should still be a copyright carried) Given that it's non-profit at least in the U.S. there are a lot of good avenues we can take. If we are not for profit we can do "public service announcements" for next to nothing. I think we should have a niche, what's going to make this "The best damn MMORPG out there"? What is going to make it different? Do I have a very solid storyline... yes. I don't quite want go into details on it, but it exists on earth and has future concepts... and ancient concepts in it. It's a collaboration of several friends (Including Dimmy434).

I have a crazy idea. I was talking to several of the investors and they are concerned because there have been many MMORPGs out there that were developed, invested in that never got off the ground. I have a really great storyline, class structure, very unique idea. However, given the current economic situation, investors are fearful of paying to have a game developed. So here is my crazy idea. Let me know what you all think. What if... we were to develop our own Client. Perhaps work hand in hand with Mangos and develop a serious, high end client / server game? But... do it all as open source? Create a new website / forums for the client, make it compatible with Mangos. The client would be free to download, we'd create builds from time to time and put out a torrent that players could download. We would have to create custom artwork, game objects, maps, music, etc. But I really think there are enough of us that if we all put our heads together we can do it. What do you think? I will provide the data center... websites, etc. and we can all work together. Not to "make a buck" but to make the best damn mmorpg out there. It would have to be locked down as tightly as Mangos is... in terms of the development, orchestration, etc. I'd love to hear people's opinions.

I checked out Eclipse... it's pretty "sexy"

Sounds appealing though... believe it or not. As I've stated before... I like change. Change is good (painful... but good) They've really changed the data packets that much? What is the reasoning for that? Are they more directed rather than broadcast? Do you think this this will lead to a more efficient flow of data between the client and the core? or are they just doing this to tighten the grip on thier propriatary structure?

Now that is exactly what my thought process was when I made the statement above of saying it's a great idea. Though I do completely understand where Subhuman_bob is coming from. See I really would love to get more in on the development life cycle... and be a part of it. Am I very good? No... Can I be if I can 'watch' what is happening? Yes... I think so. Or at least be able to help.

Kaboom! Subhuman_bob puts Shinzon in his place again.... Yeah, I guess I didn't really think about all aspects... I just thought about the idea of being able to look and see the developmental changes (granted I guess I can do that just as well in github). Sorry subhuman... thank you. You are correct and wise...

Totally Agree. Please close. :confused: huh? What? Where did that come from? P.S. Chocolate is better! LOL

Oh my god! Was I being a blockhead! forgive me oh God of Development where ever you may be... I am such an idiot... here I am browseing all around the github and staring me right in the face is the branch id, commit id and the parent id... Man, I really need a vacation.

That's a really good idea.

Point taken... and research completed. Thanks subhuman. You're always so good at putting me in my place (tactfully of course). I mean that in the nicest way too... Thank you.

Ok, I don't mean to beat anyone's brain into a bloody pulp... but I guess that something I'm not getting here is where do we get the commit id's from? before it was a simple revert to version... now we are pulling this commit id... from where? :confused:

jdguz Thank you very much... that does help me understand it. I happen to agree with you Kolapse... as much as I am "content" with the old Tortoise SVN, I am always happy to embrace new tools and expand my comprehension of new ideas and technologies. Isn't that what Mangos is all about anyway? Us trying new things... learning how to create something and expanding our horizons? ~I think it is.

I know that question may be a little noob... but I'm just curious, what does the new ACE_Wrapper actually do?

Yes. But can't go into specifics until people sign an NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement)

I'm not really sure where to post this, but I thought the community should have the chance to get in on this. I am starting a company that is developing a new MMPORPG with totally new technology. The launch date for the company is March 15th, 2009. We are still putting together our team, but I need the best of the best as we are going up against some very heavy hitters (Blizzard, EA Games, Lionhead, etc.). We already have a fair amount of funding from VC's and Angel Investors and are still putting together more funding. We also have a solid business plan developed and storyline. I am looking for: • TOP NOTCH Server and Client Developers to develop the core and client. (this will be a very special core... I can explain in more detail once we talk) • Animators & Artists Interested candidates should be willing to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement and should (ideally, but not neccessarily) be close to Boston, MA or willing to travel and may submit resumes / and or samples to [email protected] Moderators, if you'd prefer this topic not in Mangos, please let me know. I just can't think of a better place than here to find high quality developers.

It get's a little old... after each major blizz update we always end up seeing a bunch of people asking this question... I mean, I want things working as much as everyone else. But come on, it's not like you can reverse engineer something overnight (well... unless you're Vlad, in which case anything is possible. ). It takes time.

Given the large majority of us who are still getting the hang of Git... I think that this topic should be sticky'd. (OMG, we have to use command line? Wait! That means I HAVE TO SPELL right?! lol)

Yeah, actually I noticed it was missing from the main folder and I too was freaking out a little but unlike Dave, I hadn't had the time to hunt it down. Whew! Glad it's not gone.