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    • Status: Confirmed
      Main Category: Database
      Sub-Category: NPC
      Version: 21.14 Milestone: 20 Priority: Normal
      Implemented Version: 0.20

    Tauren guards are about the size of an orc

    The topic says it all. Want to verify it? Go to Camp T with a player Tauren or Orc and you will see what I mean. The Taurens named "Horde Guard" are too small. They should be 1.40 scale but appear to be about 1.00 in size.

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    Yep, he's right. 3 that I can see, one of which is patrolling.

    They appear to be set to the same height as the Orcs.

    I'll see if I can make this my first fix :-)

    EDIT: The database entry for the "Horde Guard" (ID 3501 - Entry field) is used for both the Orcs and the Taurens, at least, as proven by the following image, where I changed the Scale field from 0 to 10:


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    I've just joined Coveanant-WoW, and created a toon (Bowjob, the Tauren Hunter) on Cosmic Ray (Vanilla WoW). Checking out Camp Taurajo and the scale of the Tauren models issue is there, so no fix applied on that server, as yet.

    The only fix I can think to do, is to create 2 more Horde Guard database entries. One for the Tauren males (scale 1.35) and one for the Tauren females (scale 1.25), seeing as their scale is the only ones that are unique to the others.
    The current database entry (creature_template id 3501) can be used for all other models (scale 0).

    There does not appear to be a way to identify a model's gender (my meagre knowledge of the database), otherwise this could be done with one database entry and program code.
    For a while, I thought the gender could be found by the modelid, but it turns out the genders for each race share the modelid's, going by what I have seen in the database.

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    Bluffwatcher NPCs in TB are also affected by this issue.

    All are at scale 1.35, no matter the gender.

    Creature_template table
    Entry: 3084 Name: Bluffwatcher

    I think there may be an issue with the way the modelid's are used/assigned/associated.
    There are 2 model IDs per race, as far as Horde Guard is concerned (not checked Bluffwatcher, yet). I reckon they should be associated with gender, but right now both genders use both model IDs. 2 model IDs, 2 genders, makes sense that have a 1 to 1 association, but I could be wrong.
    e.g. I noticed that with the modelid (in the creature table) set to 4262 (Tauren model) for one of the Horde Guard, would sometimes be male and sometimes female (very 21st century).

    It looks like the modelid1 and modelid2 fields in the creature_template table has no baring on what model is actually put into the world. This table's records do have the scale field that is in use when placing the NPCs in the world.

    So, so far, as far as I can see, we need:
    2 more records for the Horde Guard, one for male Tauren, and one for female Tauren, thus giving us 3 Horde Guard records in the creature_template table.
    - the original table can be used for all other races, as all others are of the same scale
    1 more record for the Bluffwatcher, that being for the female Tauren. The original would be used for the male Tauren.

    Then, of course, update the records in the creature table to reflect this change, so that the Taurens are correctly scaled.

    So far I have create and tested SQL scripts to generate the required tables for the Horde Guard issue, so will continue with that. I'll post them here once I have done and tested everything that will be required to fix this issue.

    Not sure about the [B]gender thing[/B], though. That [B]could be the difference between requiring extra table entries or not[/B]. I probably ought to check the program code that is involved in placing these NPCs into the world.

    [B]EDIT:[/B] Eek! the system picks at random the gender of the model to display, so the previous idea for a fix would not work (on its own).
    I need to find out how the gender choice is occurring... searchy, searchy, searchy ... learny, learny, learny :D - or go insane :P

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    [quote=Xenithar]I wrote a script to fix this a year or so back. It basically changed all Tauren characters to 1.39 or 1.40 scale, except for Cairne, who was a hair larger. I assume during the rollback this was lost.[/quote]

    Ah ha, cool. :)

    It would be interesting to see what exactly you did, as I can't find anywhere that setting a value for scale would only affect one class, as far as Horde Guard is concerned.
    I might grab the WOTLK database, and take a look at it. See if any light bulbs go off in my head. If anything, at least it will add to my learning of the MaNGOS system :)

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